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just curious, my friends,

How many times have you been stopped by the police--without doing anything to give them a reason to stop you, like speeding, or weaving all over the road, or throwing stuff out the window?

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bubblesbrnaid
Jul. 23rd, 2015 01:25 am (UTC)
Twice, maybe? Those weren't really stops, though--they were license/seat belt/drunk driving/etc. checkpoints.

I'm very paranoid about police in general (it's a terror I've had since childhood, I'm not sure why) and getting pulled over in particular, which is part of the reason I drive the speed limit (even when everybody else around me is going 20 over). On at least two occasions, I've nearly wrecked when a cop car turned the lights on behind me just before going after other cars.

The irony, of course, is that I'm white and easily presumed to be part of the political and religious majorities around here (long hair, no makeup, dress like a fundie schoolmarm), plus I'm a native and sound like it, with bonus redneck points for having a NASCAR license plate, so chances are unless I actually killed somebody, nothing would happen beyond a ticket. Maybe not even then.
roxymissrose
Jul. 23rd, 2015 01:44 am (UTC)
Got ya! Those were definitely reasonable stops, and anyone gets nervous when there's cop directly behind them. ;D
write_light
Jul. 23rd, 2015 01:30 am (UTC)
Twice but they had reasons - in one case my tags had been scraped off (F You, tag scraper), and in the other I was driving in the left (of 2) lanes on a state highway in a place where that is ONLY for passing (wtf, the road was empty for miles). Does getting a flashlight tap on a steamy window because you're making out in a parking lot at night count? I was stopped once by a private security guard but I am never telling that story. I can identify with the Blast-O'-Panic the above commenter feels upon seeing lights.
roxymissrose
Jul. 23rd, 2015 01:46 am (UTC)
The Blast-O'-Panic (love that) is universal, I'll bet.

Did you get treated politely? Even with the flashlight tap? ;D

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elwarre
Jul. 23rd, 2015 01:41 am (UTC)
I've never been pulled over (knock on wood), and I'm terrified of it.
elwarre
Jul. 23rd, 2015 01:42 am (UTC)
as an aside, did you change your journal style, or did livejournal change its style, or both? Everything is all over the place for me recently.
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luvmax1
Jul. 23rd, 2015 02:06 am (UTC)
Neverm thank goodness. But I'm pretty much the most law abiding person you'll ever meet. Once, when I was a kid, I thought a cop was going to arrest my dad at MSG, but it turned out it was an old co-worker's of my dad's who was pranking him. (Incidentally, this guy left teaching and became a cop because he thought it would be safer.)
roxymissrose
Jul. 23rd, 2015 02:09 am (UTC)
Wow--that's not a funny prank at all!

I'm the most law-abiding person too, but I've been stopped four times, not counting the time we got stopped because my friend was speeding--30 miles in a 25 mile zone. A speedtrap, actually. The other stops were memorable in their own way.
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fufaraw
Jul. 23rd, 2015 02:07 am (UTC)
Not me personally, but both my sons, who at the time had long hair when long hair on a guy was suspect. Just on general principles. When things were slow, you know, fuck with the kid and leave the fat rich drunk running the roads.

I do not like LEOs of any stripe--don't trust them near enough to smell, or far enough to shoot. I was raised to go to the police for help--that's the *last* place I turn, now. Entitled insular protect each other's backs and the hell with civilians thugs.

I believe good people go into LE planning to help society, but with the inherent corruption, they either fall to the majority view, or they get out.

I've said too much. Sorry.
roxymissrose
Jul. 23rd, 2015 02:10 am (UTC)
The reason I asked is because I've been stopped a few times for being Black-just wondering what other folks' experience of the police were.

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nicnac918
Jul. 23rd, 2015 02:18 am (UTC)
One time when I was in college I got pulled over by a bike cop because he thought I was riding with my headphones in. But once I pulled over he saw that I only had my headphone in one ear, and then he gave me a coupon for out on-campus food place because I was being a safe biker.

Another time a cop pulled me over and he let me know that my driving was just fine, but my tail lights had gone out. Then he gave me a warning citation thing so that if another cop pulled me over in the next couple of days before I could get them fixed, I wouldn't get a ticket.
roxymissrose
Jul. 23rd, 2015 02:23 am (UTC)
That's interesting. I was pulled over once by a state trooper who was nice about a tail light being out. It's been said that if you have to be stopped, your chances are better with a state cop than a local--at least they were back in my day.
sweptawaybayou
Jul. 23rd, 2015 02:19 am (UTC)
I have been pulled over a couple of times - but they were all deserved. Tags out of date, one front light out, etc. I've also gotten speeding tickets and I've never tried to get out of them, heh. I know people that *have* just by crying or being all melodramatic, but on the rare occasions I do speed I know exactly how fast I was going ... so I never lie.

I do have a story for you though, which at the time was fucking hilarious, but in light of everything that's been happening lately - it's kinda horrifying now.

Way back in the day just after I was divorced, I was working in a very small grocery store. I was the asst mgr and worked with (mostly) a bunch of high school kids and the random adults that wanted/needed a second job. We all got to be good friends. One of the kids was a super!handsome and friendly black high school boy. Excellent at football and very personable. Just an all around good kid, right? And one of the adults was a white guy, young but married and with kids. He was (at the time) a Leavenworth cop and worked at our store to make some extra $$.

SO.

One night long ago, I'm taking my kids to swimming lessons at the Community Center. When we get done, I'm basically sleep walking to the car. It was warm and humid in there and I'd worked all day and the kids were all *talk talk talk* and it's dark and I'm just on auto-pilot, right? Out of the dark, this kid from the store runs up behind me and jumps on my back.

SCARED the ever living *crap* out of me. I know I screamed. And flailed.

He thought it was hilarious. And after I recovered, I laughed also. I mean, wtf else are you going to do?

So a couple days later I'm at work and I tell the cop guy about it. Telling him how scared i was! And we both laughed.

Well ... about two weeks later - the teenager and I are working together and he tells me that the cop had pulled him over the night before that. Told him to get the fuck out of his car and frisked him. Pushed him down on the trunk of his car and started to put handcuffs on him and the teen boy was freaking *out*, right? He'd never been in trouble before. And the cop pushes him down and says ...

'That's what you get for scaring Snow.'

Then, of course, he let him go.

BUT OMFG. I think back on that and i'm all ... oh, funny pranks between friends - but nowadays? HOLY FUCK. Probably not so funny. At all.

*hugshugshugshugs*
roxymissrose
Jul. 23rd, 2015 02:25 am (UTC)
Wow...that's actually a really scary story. Good thing the cop just wanted to be funny.
fireheart13
Jul. 23rd, 2015 02:49 am (UTC)
I got pulled over once for tailgating but got a warning. that's it *knock wood*

I live right by the police station now, drive by it back and forth to work, and I'm STILL nervous when a cop is driving behind me.
roxymissrose
Jul. 23rd, 2015 03:04 am (UTC)
Yeah, we get that. I know that most cops are good guys, concerned with doing their job and doing it right, but that small percentage that takes their power and runs with it scares me too.
mollyamory
Jul. 23rd, 2015 03:29 am (UTC)
Never. I've been pulled over for a (real) busted tail light, and once I was pulled over for making an illegal turn with a police car directly behind me (I was in downtown Boston, late for an appointment, horribly lost lost in a construction zone and didn't see the "no left turn" sign among all the other fifty thousand construction-related signs; he thought it was hilarious and only gave me a warning). But I've never been pulled over without a reason, and I've FAILED to be pulled over a couple of times when there WAS a pretty good reason.

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roxymissrose
Jul. 23rd, 2015 03:32 am (UTC)
Hunh! You must look very trustworthy. :)

My dealing with police have been 50/50--I was wondering if my flist had the same experience, what with all the horrible things that have been going on lately.
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tabaqui
Jul. 23rd, 2015 03:31 am (UTC)
Hrmmmmmmmmm....a couple times. Once, on a trip back from a tattoo convention in Texas, Cat and I were pulled over in Oklahoma. They proceeded to search our truck a about half of the stuff in it, while telling us stories about all the 'hundreds of pounds' of heroin and coke and whatnot was being smuggled up from over the border.

They pointed to the garbage bag full of laundry shoved into a corner of the truck bed and said 'what's that'. I said 'laundry from our trip'. They nodded and moved on. For all they knew, it was *heroin* from our trip. Was not patted down, did not investigate my bag, which had my very illegal butterfly knife in it.

Other time, I crossed the middle line a little to avoid this humongous van that was kinda double parked and minute later or less a cop was pulling me over and telling me it was because i was 'swerving all over' and was I drunk. I said no, and had he seen that van back there, blocking half the lane? Then i got a ticket for not having a light over my license plate, but my car didn't have a socket or wire *for* a light, so I ended up not having to pay the ticket.

Also was not frisked or asked to get out when i got snarky about the van. Have been pulled over a few times for speeding, but...i was speeding. :)
roxymissrose
Jul. 23rd, 2015 03:36 am (UTC)
You know exactly why I ask this question. :)

You know my experience has been...interesting. The time I was stopped by a state cop, he was lovely. Tail light out. Other times have been more interesting and kind of scary.
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chellexxx
Jul. 23rd, 2015 06:33 am (UTC)
When i was 17 i was stopped 7 times in the space of 2 weeks!!! It was the same policeman each time. And it was always in the early hours of the morning. And i was alone every time. I was terrified.

I was dating a boy who lived a few miles away from me and he didn't drive and i was stopped on my way home from his house.

There was no reason for the policeman to stop me. Nothing wrong with the car and i drive carefully & i don't speed. I have been driving for 26 years without a ticket or a point on my license!!!

My mum complained to the police on my behalf and i haven't been stopped since.

xxx
roxymissrose
Jul. 23rd, 2015 06:35 am (UTC)
Yeah, that definitely feels like you dodged a bullet. There's a *huge* example of misuse of authority.
dawnybee
Jul. 23rd, 2015 07:17 am (UTC)
Not myself but I've been with people who have.
1) With four older work acquaintances. Think "The Golden Girls" but chain smokers. We were driving one night in a neighborhood that has joyriders. The driver had a black Escalade so we're driving along, and police sirens light up. She's questioning us if she ran a light, if she did something wrong. We told her she didn't. I'm directly behind her, so the cop pull us over. She rolls down her window and the look on his face that the driver of this Escalade wasn't young black men, but a fifty-plus woman was hilarious. He stammered and said that he thought her light was out. She flicked them. Said, "no, seems fine to me." He thanked her and walked away. She rolled up the window and cussed a blue streak knowing full well he didn't think she had a light out. He just wanted to harass.

2) With my sister. I was a teen and I was running late and asked her for a ride. She ran out the house in a robe, no shoes on just thinking it'd be quick. She got pulled over and she may not have signaled. But the officer just went in on her because she left the house w/out her license and yes, that's bad but he was over-the-top. Threatened to make her lie down on the highway or arrest her, was yelling at her. I was sad to see my big sister pleading and asking why he wouldn't let her have a say or just write her a ticket to let her go. So demoralizing.

3) Friend, a brother-- former military, big activist, eloquent Renaissance man. Walking with his headphones and two cops stop him. Hem him up for 30 minutes because there was a robbery in the neighborhood and he fit the description. He pointed out that he only had his iPod so if he robbed anything, where was it? And he heard over their radio the description and it didn't fit him but they still kept him detained. He was so shaken by it that he refused to go to New York for his brother's college graduation because of NY's stop and frisk laws. He didn't want to experience it again.

And a few others, sadly.
roxymissrose
Jul. 23rd, 2015 03:20 pm (UTC)
1)Yep--though I would have loved to have been in that Escalade with you guys.

2) that right there? Is enough to make you wake up at night in a cold sweat.

We all have these experiences, but no one believes us. Now they do--folks are dying and it's making the news. The operative words being 'making the news'. Just looking at the responses here is educational.
iibnf
Jul. 23rd, 2015 09:47 am (UTC)
Did you get caught driving-while-black? Be thankful you're alive!

I haven't been pulled over - in fact I drove by a RBT stop - the cops pulled over the people in front of me, took a look at me and waved me on, then pulled over the people behind me. If I was any whiter, I'd be albino - in fact I'm so white I'm almost blue - so I'm not likely to get that kind of grief. Blonde, fat, middle-aged female - in this society, I'm one step down from invisible.

I sound like I'm making light of the situation, but what we see in the press from your country? It's heart breaking. Fancy coming to Australia? As long as you come by plane and not boat, you'll be pretty damned safe here.
roxymissrose
Jul. 23rd, 2015 03:27 pm (UTC)
Not lately--I'm in that invisible state, too. Fat, white-haired, and I might as well admit, light-skinned enough that a lot of white people think I'm white, or hope I'm white, I'm never sure which.


Aww! Thanks so much, but I've seen that giant spider vid.
phoenixnz
Jul. 23rd, 2015 12:37 pm (UTC)
Ooh. I was working in a job where I finished shifts at 2.30 in the morning. There'd been a homicide a few weeks earlier in the vicinity I was driving and I got followed home until about 100 metres from my driveway when they decided to flash their lights and announce they were a cop. I stopped and pulled over, they came to check and told me they were just checking. I nearly said to them, 'don't ever do that again, you scared the crap out of me following me like that'. I swear, they'd followed me for about three kilometres. It's not pleasant being followed by a strange car for that distance at nearly three in the morning.
roxymissrose
Jul. 23rd, 2015 03:09 pm (UTC)
*nods* It's scary as hell to be followed like that, not to mention stupid--if they'd actually been tailing a bad guy, they probably would have panicked him into a chase. Idiots.
danceswithgary
Jul. 23rd, 2015 02:14 pm (UTC)
*winces* Never, but then I'm the 'right' color.

roxymissrose
Jul. 23rd, 2015 03:01 pm (UTC)
*HUGS*

Mr. R, great big teddy bear that he is, has been stopped for nothing a few times. But we're old folks, and our parents taught us how to respond to the police. No direct eye contact, don't raise your voice or your hands. Kids today refuse to do that. They think they have a right not to act servile, can you imagine?
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